Far too often we hear the same story, a woman gets diagnosed with fibroids and is told her only option is a full hysterectomy. In this interview, Kit Maloney and Rachel Rose talk with Miara Pack, who shares her journey of saying no to the white coat and bravely charting her own course.
Miara opens up about her experience with painful cycles and dismissive doctors and her choice to pursue natural healing: yoni steaming, breathwork, and lifestyle changes alongside western medical care. A cornerstone of her healing was her connection with Kit, the founder of Kitara, whose compassionate presence was a consistent source of strength, wisdom, and love.
We’re honored to share this conversation of healing, self-empowerment, and the sacred bond between women supporting each other to reconnect to their wombs and inner wisdom.
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Timestamps
01:26 – Miara’s first steam and meeting Kit
07:00 – Steaming at home without a seat
11:00 – Lifelong painful cycles and dismissive medical care
13:00 – Fibroid diagnosis and pressure to undergo full hysterectomy
17:30 – Daily steaming, tracking progress, and signs of improvement
18:30 – Making the emotional decision to have a myomectomy
26:50 – Post-surgery cycles, red blood, and no more pain meds
30:00 – Slowing down: movement, food, and nervous system support
35:00 – Reframing surgery as a reboot, not a failure
38:30 – Breaking the cycle for the next generation
42:00 – Sisterhood, journaling, and the power of being witnessed
Transcript
Kit: [00:00:00] Oh, oh. Thank you sweet ones. Beloveds, Miara thank you for being here with us. We are so excited to be able to connect with you and to really hear from you about what's up in your world and in the world of your womb health and healing. And it's just been such an honor to, to know you over these years.
And this is a real gift to connect.
Yeah,
Miara: It is. I love you, Kit. Thank you for having me and asking me to come. So it was definitely a, it was a no brainer. It was definitely a yes for me. I just, even though I was nervous, a yes, yes, yes. A thousand more.
Kit: Well, Rachel and I were connecting and something we're really present with in our own journeys is the sort of sweetness of feeling back into how we first found steam.
And I [00:01:00] wondering if you could remember into that and how, and share with us, when did you first learn about steaming.
Miara: Oh. When I first learned about steaming was, I think it was I wanna say like 18. Like I heard about it, uh, when I went to Atlanta with my best friend and they have a spa called JaJu or someplace, and they do steaming there, but it was like a whole spa of, just for women on one side and, you know, massages, all that kind of stuff. But, um, they was like, it's just something good It just, you know, makes your.
Your womb and your female parts feel great. I'm like, okay, let me try it. I didn't really, really, really get into it until I met I met Shuana and she's telling me that she has some issues when she's having fibroids, and I'm like, I had just found out that I had them. And so she connected me with Kit so Kit really just went into depth with letting me [00:02:00] know the ins and outs with the steaming main, mainly all the benefits of it and how, 'cause I'm all about natural healing.
I'm not all about a whole bunch of herbal, I mean whole bunch of Western medicine. I'm, I'm not against it, but I, I am all for the natural approach. I went to go, I wanted to do that before, 'cause when I went to the doctor, they said I wanted surgery. They wanted to do a hysterectomy, I did not want to go that way because I wasn't, I had, I have no children not married, and I didn't want to just say no, I don't just take it all out right away.
Um, but when I first sitting with Kit made me fall in love with it. Just knowing, just being knowledgeable about it and then what it's actually doing and then incorporating the breath work and being intentional and she just is her heart. So this just made me like, okay. Um, I did steaming. I just, I felt I feel liked how it made me feel on the inside.
Also I feel like she let me know I had a lot of trauma that could have contributed [00:03:00] to the, um, fibroids. You know, so we were just trying to break through those barriers and those things. Um, she definitely was patient and so yeah, I just in love with, I was in love with it. I tell everybody, I still tell everybody about it.
Even if you don't have any issues, I feel like it's just a good practice just to have yeah.
Kit: Yeah.
Rachel: So your first time was steaming in a in a spa.
Miara: Yes.
Rachel: Beautiful with a, you were there with a friend.
Miara: So, yeah, I was there with two of my friends and they both, you know, we just was going just to try something new. But I didn't, you know, was one of the friends she had, um, just did, in-vitro and had her set of twins because she couldn't get pregnant. They told her she couldn't have kids, so she went that route.
Um, and then, but after us doing that visit, my best friend, they both got pregnant. Okay. I said, [00:04:00] and they both are married, so I just, you know, I didn't have any, I, I wasn't with anybody, so I couldn't, but the benefits of it, they were saying like the men love their husbands love how it felt or whatever, but it really showed that steaming prepares the womb for them to get pregnant when doctors or other people told them that they couldn't get pregnant or have babies.
So,
wild.
made me a believer.
Yep. Didn't
tell me
Kit: Wow.
Oh my gosh.
Miara: crazy.
Kit: Okay, so walk me through that. Was, what year was that? The spa
the
Miara: streaming, uh, that was in, hold on. What was that? I was locked up. So that was in 18 year Yeah. At the spa.
Kit: Of the Spa. Okay.
Okay.
Miara: And then I got but then I got diagnosed, well, that's when I had [00:05:00] the, I did have the surgery, but that's when I got diagnosed in, when was it? I think it was 19 when I got diagnosed with the fibroids.
Kit: Yeah. Yeah. And then you and Shuana were speaking and she recommended connecting,
Miara: Yes.
Kit: saying, that's so beautiful. Right?
Okay.
Miara: Because she was posting, she was posting on Facebook, and I'm like, and she was, you know, really talking about steaming and the herbs. And I'm like, okay, so I know I went down in Atlanta, but I want to know like good more information. And she was like, she's the best. And so she connected me,
Kit: Yeah.
Miara: With Kit
Kit: Yeah. And so, and this is something Rachel might not know, but it's cool and something we talk about for a while, but you were initial steams, were at home with just a steamed pot and herbs,
right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
And
that's cool,
Miara: I haven't went back.
Back.
I haven't been back. only did my, only the first time was at the spa, but I have not done steaming outside of [00:06:00] home since I met Kit.
Kit: You've been steaming at home and though you, you were in devotion to the practice before you got a seat,
right? Yeah. That's something we talk about a lot. 'cause it can be a, understandably, a barrier for a number of reasons to have the seat. And though we are a company that sells steam seats, we're such also advocates for, we have this new line, Rachel and I of like, like, let's get on the pot
get on the
pot. silly because we, but it's like, we don't, we just want people steaming and really that's the root of the seat is because it can be a conduit to help people to steam.
But anyway, it's just a, it's a really nice thing to note that you were doing not just in home steams, but but very regular in home steams
without a seat.. And were you doing that in child's pose then in your bedroom?
Miara: Yes. Just, or just like kind of like kneeling, um, on the floor and like on my knees up. 'cause I got long legs. So a lot of that I ain't that [00:07:00] flexible,
Kit: Yeah.
Miara: just kind of just kneel over it or squat.
Kit: Oh, I'm just picturing you too, and I know that at the time at least you were living with your sister.
Miara: We still do still, we still live together.
And so I'm trying to get her, she'd be like, um, I mean, we're twins. We're identical twins. So, you know, she'd be like, I had her to try it one time just so she can see, and then she is so when are you gonna buy your, that's what she's like, when did you get in your seat?
I'm like, okay. I ordered the seat. I was like, I finally got, you know, the money, the funds to get it, so I'm getting my seat. And so she was like, even before me, like, when are you gonna put it together? When are you, you know? So definitely seeing me do it. And also my niece, my sister has a daughter, she's seven.
so she'd be like, auntie, what are you doing? What is that? And you know, just to educating her and showing to her like, this is what you should do. It's a good thing. It's normal. you know, it helps her out because I know soon she gonna be starting her cycle. And and [00:08:00] learning that, that it's okay for even just as teenagers, you know, young.
They don't have to be on as long, but they can learn how to just sit on there for a little bit get the steaming. So I'm excited about, just seeing the, just being an example that she can see that
so
beautiful.
Because
a lot of people know about steaming and still. to this day.
Rachel: Okay.
This is why we're here. That's why we're here.
Miara: Thank y'all. Thank y'all so much.
Kit: oh. Just thank you for talking to your niece and letting that be seen. I mean, that, that's really one of the visions I felt into years ago of this being integrated into the home.
Miara: Yeah.
Kit: Just something that women do in the home and having children see that and having partners be part of it and, and. What that would do in terms of elevating womb health [00:09:00] is just profoundly, um, healing to
me into that world. You're doing it..
Miara: Guys, even with guys that like I've dated or you know, just even my guy friends, they'd be like, what are you doing? And I'm, and I like, I'm open about it, like I'm steaming.. And they was like, what is that? What is it? Like, they don't even know. Be like, I'm curious what is, you know, and they want to know about it.
I'm like, okay. And then they're like, I'm about to Google or something. You know? They just getting that conversation started where it's okay, and it's not just what I'll be like, I don't gotta get off the phone, but lemme show you. They're like, are you in the bathroom? No, I'm not. Um, I'm in my room.
I have a seat here and I start showing 'em 'cause they see my gown on or whatever. But yeah, I think try to tell any and everybody, I definitely would wanna be more knowledgeable to educate, but what that I, what I do know what I've learned from Kit. Yeah. [00:10:00] Then I just send them her website. Here's her website, can't go to anybody getting herbs. Get your herbs from her. We know that works. I trust it. So I just love Kit.. Sorry.
Kit: I love you so much. Thank you.
Rachel: The best.
That's
just The
best.
Kit: I am really grateful for you and your whole journey, and I'm wondering if it feels good and aligned for you to share more about the process that. Led you to the diagnosis of fibroids and then also the journey through fibroids, the choice around surgery, recovery, these pieces that I know so many women, I mean literally millions of women in our country are going through
and we just, we're really so lucky to be able to share this conversation with those women and people who love [00:11:00] them because it's a rarity.
So thank you, and I would love to hear from you about that.
Miara: Absolutely. I've always had painful cycles as a young child. Like, um, I remember in, I guess because I started, I think I started my cycle in the fifth, sixth grade. And so I remember being that young spend the night over a friend's house and can't participate, go outside because my cycle is so debilitating I'm crying and I'm thinking like, is this, a kid, I'm thinking like, this is the worst ever.
Am I gonna die that painful. But my mom didn't believe in taking medicine. She just was more like, get a hot towel, go to sleep. You know, I say a prayer and that's it. and so, so I always had painful cycles leaving school and co, you know, high school, middle school, high school had to leave because I'm heavy and I'm just really painful.
It wasn't really heavy. It was just always painful. so [00:12:00] midol all and all that stuff didn't work. And then as an adult there's, always, I thought it was just normal. as I say, we think that's normal, but it is not normal. What I'm learning now, that's not normal. And so when I found out that I was, I went to the, I was going to the doctor regularly.
I would get my yearly pap and stuff. And what I was disappointed in was my doctor did not tell me at all once, not first of all, she didn't draw any blood or anything. She just would just check me, you know, go in and do examination and be like, good to go. So I didn't know that I ever had fibroids until, um, my stomach was just protruding.
I was like, looked like I was like four months pregnant. And the gynecologist, it wasn't my gynecologist. I was trying to find another one. He was like, yeah, you, they are impressive. So they were so large at this point. And so that's why I was just upset because I'm like, [00:13:00] they're so big and they like, he is he was giving me no option other than a hysterectomy.
I was just crying. 'cause he just was like, you know, I just feel like what in the world? So that's when I ended up meeting kit, kit or whatever. Um, so
Kit: How, how, how old were you again?
Miara: that was, I was diagnosed in 22. what is this? 25? that's three years ago. I'm 42 now. So I was 30, was I 39?
Kit: Yeah, I was just said like
30.
Rachel: That had to be hard, like if you'd been going to the doctor regularly Mm-hmm. and like doing the things Yeah. and then to find out like it was a full on situation, straight to surgery kind of thing. Like that had to be intense.
Miara: crying like, wait, what? I don't, I'm not married, I don't have any kids. I don't what is going on here? I was devastated. So I had, I had a moment then I went to, I just told him, I was like, I'm not, I'm, I can't, I'm not. I was like, is there any other alternatives? [00:14:00] And he was like, yeah, there are other alternatives, but it's not, it's not gonna be worth your time.
That's what he told me. His bedside manner wasn't the best at all. He said, if you want kids, you need to find somebody today. It was just all this kind of, it just wasn't, it wasn't no compassion, no nothing for anything. So, I mean, I was like, meanwhile he's talking and I see pictures of his whole family on his wall, you know, it's like, sir.
So anyways, I ended up, that's when I talked to Kit about it, just to see my options. I think, you know, and it, it helped with the steaming did help absolutely with the I. with the, the blood flow, making sure my blood was red, not the, get rid of the stagnated blood. Um, also with the pain it wasn't as bad and stuff like that.
But at that point though, I was starting to bleed longer than seven days, um, it started end up getting to 11 days. Full go. I mean, going through bleeding, going through my [00:15:00] clothes, getting off work, missing work or had to leave work. But um, I just felt like it was just so far gone. 'cause they were so massive and I'm like, I, 'cause I believe that the steaming totally works. I feel like you can break down, you can, it helps heal. You can release the fibroids. I'm all for, like, I definitely believe that. I just feel like mines were so large. It was connected to my, um, fallopian tube was, I was gonna have to get blood transfusions and iron infusions and stuff by that time.
So that's when I just went ahead and I was, after, I think Kit I think we did about a year,
Kit: Yeah.
Miara: with the steaming, that's when I
so
Kit: So devotional to it. I mean it was daily-ish for
many months outside of your active
bleeding. And chime in if I'm getting any of this even remotely incorrect. But you were missing a couple of days of work every month[00:16:00]
and you were, once this started, like it was, it could be like three or four was down to one.
Yeah.
and then I also then, then there was this time where the bleed started going beyond that seven days. the effect of that was a huge drop in vitamin D and iron and these other aspects of like, we need our, our blood to be strong. And you were hospitalized a couple of times,
right? Yeah.
Miara: Absolutely. And so that's why that like, 'cause like before that it, even though it was so far gone, I think when we first started steaming in that whole year, I was, it gave, you know, I was better, I had better days. We had wins, we had definitely some wins in there, in there with journaling you know, things of that nature.
Um, so that's why I felt like it was doing good. I don't know what happened where it just fell off. 'cause we were steaming, kit had had and suggested me to steam almost daily if I could. Um, [00:17:00] if not every day, every other day. So we were steaming pretty often. And so I felt it was good. And I think it was just it was connected to my fallopian tube and it was, that was using as a blood supply.
It was just, I think it was just, it was, I was drained. And I'm self-employed, so if I'm not at work, I ain't making no money. And so it was just like. I was in bed for like two weeks at least two or three weeks out of the month. I only have one week, where I'm okay. And so I'm like, we can't do this.
So that's when I went ahead and looking options about surgery. And I didn't want to, 'cause I've never had surgery before either.
So I went and looked for another, I found a female gynecologist and she was telling me that I have options where I'll have to get my whole womb taken out. so I was like, okay, what is it?
So she was like, well, we can just go in there and just do a myomectomy in which they just remove the fibroids. And I'm like, okay, I'll go [00:18:00] that way. reluctantly didn't want to, but I'm like this. I just feel like my mom, my parents were telling me like, you're pale, you're losing so much blood at this point.
We got to do something here. Okay. So that's why I'm went ahead and did that and. when they went, actually went into surgery, they didn't realize how large they were. And 'cause she had, the doctor had to take a picture. 'cause she's like, I just, time I would do the what'd they do?
What they what's the thing that they do when they go looking at the baby?
Kit: Ultrasound.
Miara: so when they was doing the ultrasound, the lady, the tech, I'd be like, so is there more? How many are there? You know, have they gotten bigger? And she was not telling me anything and she would be like, just talk to your doctor.
And I'm like, okay so that's the only thing I just don't be liking, you know. So she didn't really know until we went on in there and how large they were. So, and they all kind of like, grew together and my uterus was pushed to the side. So [00:19:00] that's. she, like, we had to remove them or, you know, so I, luckily they removed them.
Um, I have all my parts still except for that fallopian tube. I lost one. The recovery was hard, very hard. And, um, it was when there was, when they, when I was able to get recovered enough, or healed enough, then I did start implementing steaming again
after
that.
Kit: and just, I honor so much, Miara. I just honor there's so much to that journey and I was privileged to connect with you a lot through it, and I.
know
The consideration you took to making the different decisions. And I really,
I
just, I'm emotional 'cause I remember, I remember the smile, which you have an incredible smile, but, but the smile on your face after the surgery [00:20:00] and holding gigantic fibroids orange to like banana, they're not like perfect spears, right?
Like much bigger than either one of us had been led to believe. And
it felt like this, a affirmation of your knowing that in a perfect world, you wouldn't have had to have surgery, but that you also were feeling for a while that this was the right option for you at this time.
And. It was such a courageous thing to to witness you in the courage of really allowing yourself to not get in this sort of binary, dogmatic space of holistic health versus western medicine and to having to sort of override your knowing to stay in
clean
was so beautiful and extraordinary.
And and I is what I, I really hope and hold for us all to be able to, [00:21:00] to allow ourselves, because we have these different options. They can be integrated a lot more than social media, lets you think, and you. Kept coming back to yourself and going through the struggle of the disappointment of, of feeling like, wow, after all of this, I am gonna go to surgery.
But then also to reflect to you it was a completely different surgery
a than the one that was being positioned to you as your only option
And to name to you how often I hear that from women that they are not initially presented with options within surgery, and I don't really understand what's going on here, but the theme is that it's very, in my experience, it feels like there's a commonality to being told at the beginning, just like hysterectomy is your only.
Is the option
It's on the patient to ask, are there [00:22:00] other options? Are there different surgeries? Are there different ways to incorporate different modalities with surgeries? And so these conversations allow us to, to witness and celebrate you and also plant these seeds for others to have the permission and the encouragement to ask more questions and to take their time in discerning which options from which modalities are gonna be in the highest service for them at that time.
So thank you. Thank you
so much.
Miara: you're so welcome Kit And I do I do appreciate for, I feel like I probably wouldn't have been able to come back have the confident enough or to even say, is there something else? Or not Just only taking that as the only option of what he's, what he had told me. And I felt like that because I think I felt like being with you and Selima the other people that were in the group that, you know, people [00:23:00] shared their story also, just.
Being confident who I am and being protective over my womb space and saying I'm gonna choose me first. Just having that, you know, that confidence I can say because normally me, sometimes I just shy away and be like, okay, that's what they say then, you know? And I'm like, but no first of all, it's a man.
And I'm not saying all men is horrible. I'm not male bashing, but however you know, it's just, they don't have, some people may not have that courtesy or that compassion or anything, you know? And so I'm just like, no, I'm, I'm empowered. There has to be something else first. That'd be the end all option.
Okay. But I know there has to be more. And so that's why I feel like being in the group and being with Kit, that's why I'm like, Kit, when you start, I'm like, I was already tearing up, but I'm trying to be cool right here, you know, doing this. Because those were tough times and I felt defeated because I felt like.
'cause I felt so connected with you and the steaming and the breath work, and I [00:24:00] believed in it, and I still do, but I felt discouraged because I'm like, after all this we still gotta do, we still gotta go through surgery, you know? And that was kind of like defeated. I felt defeated, but also with the breathwork, it just, it still, even though I was defeated, but something in me was still like, would wanna show up, wanna show up for myself, wanna show up for you guys?
You know? And so and for other women, you know, and you was with me you stuck there with me. And then just having that community also also helps, you know? So being knowledgeable and having that community, I think is just would help change. And I feel like that's where we need to be going towards anyways.
More community, or whatever. So, yeah, I think
it was, that was hard.
Kit.
Oh gosh, yeah. You're so strong. Openhearted and yeah, all that.
Rachel: I know we're speaking to it, but it's like, it almost can't be said enough how difficult it is in that moment with the doctor to say no. Like, mm-hmm. no, this is not for me right
[00:25:00] now. And to really I, just that level of courage mm-hmm. and self attunement is huge. And so I just, I just wanted to say it again because it's like wow.
Like we can really empower each other to be like, yeah, okay, you're wearing a white coat and you look professional. Like, you know what you're saying. And like, We all together as women can remind each other. Yeah. But you don't have to do anything tomorrow. Like you don't have to do anything that doesn't feel good to you.
Like we get to slow down, we get to get into community with our sisters and be held and take time. And really, like, I admire that so much about your story that you took time and you really like focused on the healing and then when your body was showing you like, no, it's ready for the next level.
And it was, and there was emotion and it was hard. Like you took that step to take care of yourself and it was what you needed,
Miara: and that's how I tell people what it definitely was something I needed for sure, but ever since then. Okay. [00:26:00] Okay. Let's talk about that cycle. Yeah. Let's
Rachel: talk about that.
Miara: I just think, um, ever since then, I have not after like my very first period, my cycle, it was red, it went, it is now, it is, went back to three days.
Red blood. I'm, I'm steaming still. I'm still doing the, um, still drinking my teas. And that was another thing I had changed and I, was, I forgot when you talk about this kit about, 'cause you was encouraging because I don't eat meat. And so she was just like, we trying to find options of getting that iron.
We trying to get our iron up. she was like, well what about getting the, they got supplements with, you know, organic organs? And I'm like, Kit, I don't know. It's just like, but it just being open to not having my narrow minded of, how I was, you know, my diet or you know, I don't wanna say it's a diet, it's just my lifestyle.
And so, it suppose just being open with those things, you know, trying to get iron up and stuff like that. So [00:27:00] now my levels are still up. Um, I went they go get the blood work and stuff. Everything is still doing well. Still steaming, still doing my herbs my teas I'm not working out as strenuous.
You know, that was another thing Kit was like. because
just give yourself some rest. My cycles. I don't really wanna work for real, I just wanted to just relax and just Like, you know, like how we women we supposed to be, we only out here working and stuff when we're releasing and cleansing. So it's just all these things we just, I just, it just makes me, me enjoy being a woman and being a female and all the things that comes with it.
Just learning so much with Kit from that. And I'm sorry Kit I know you talk about me and telling my story, but you are a very big part of this story. And so, and what I got from it is a part of the circles and the breath work and, um, all those things that have really, really helped me and still afterwards it's getting me through it.
So yeah, I just had my cycle. Um, I was doing a [00:28:00] juicing, I just did a juice, with just, um, a juice cleanse and so for like a couple days, like three days, and my cycle was during that time. I had no, now mind you, I was taking ibuprofen eight hundreds, six hundreds before all through the cycle. That's how much, was taking four of 'em a piece.
Okay. Four. That's how the pain was bad. So crazy to where now I don't even take any medicines at all. I just do my teeth and I steam and I don't have, my bleed They're not even heavy at all. I'm not even saturating even a regular pad. It's just the crazy, just the knowing, you know what I'm saying?
Of how things, that's not how it's supposed to be to where now it's like this is how our cycles, our flows are supposed to be, and so I'm just feels great. I feel great, um, with it. I'm over the guilt or the shame of feeling like I had to do the surgery. just what it was. But I'm still I'm incorporating what I believe in, in and what's the [00:29:00] steaming the breath work, the journaling.
I'm still doing those practices right to this day.
Kit: I forgot.
I wanna like so many beautiful things you dropped that I wanna pick up. And one though is because I, I know this in my body and in my psyche and I know many millions of women hold this too, but just to drop into the exercising component,
Well that and the animal protein, but let's start with the exercise component, which is that we just are bombarded with exercising and sweat and, and there's really some important ways to get the lymphatic system working for fibroids that need to be noted and supported.
And what I witnessed and was with you in, was just taking [00:30:00] that to the. To the extreme of our current cultural moment, which is sometimes you, we would connect and be like, yeah. So I was on the treadmill for 90 minutes today at you know, like high inclement and then like, number nine, speed. And I was like, whatcha,
doing?
and I'm gonna bleed tomorrow.
And I'm just like, oh my God. But like, I only knew it because I have done that too. And just this just collectively can remind ourselves to slow down. And actually what we need is that like fresh air and you were in a gym that it was the high intensity, right? And it was like, could we introduce like a five minute walk, you know, like out in nature and just and really just holding you with so much love through, through the recognition that that was really hard.
That was really
Hard your mind to get on board with the slowing down of the gym workouts and,
I just
thank[00:31:00]
you for sharing that and allowing me to, to reflect and
Miara: Yeah. And I just want people to know, like it is like always, it's not always like, oh, everything she says is goes, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you come against like, no, I don't, like, I don't wanna do that. with the kicking and fighting or the kind of little resistance, you still had grace. And then it's like, okay, this, is, we're gonna try it.
Let's try it. Miara, let's see. And you know, trying it, it wasn't bad. It didn't kill me. I'm still here.
Kit: slowing down
well,
Miara: just the greatest of relationship. So.
Kit: Like it's always the invitation back to self always. And that does come up with the, with the animal protein and the vegetarianism and veganism, and it's something that comes up for folks on the fibroid journey because there's a lot of information out there directing people toward veganism for fibroid healing.
And that, of course, can be the right path for people. Something that really resonates for me is that often what's happening [00:32:00] when we step into vegan diets is that we're also letting go of a lot of processed foods and sometimes it's a little bit hard to discern what, where the crux of the benefit is coming from and when there are times where the fibroid journey is feeling a little bit.
I.
Like it's not progress. Like, there is these massive bleedings from some of the release and from some of the increased days of menstrual cycle bleeds that really losing a ton of blood and we need to be cognizant of that and align and attune to ways to building the blood that feel good.
I'm so grateful for you for all of the conversations because we never, we never wanna override that your inner knowing, right? Like you weren't wanting to introduce certain animal proteins. So that had to be the focal point that then we work on because yeah, we're not going to [00:33:00] have people feel discomfort stress in the body as they're then consuming, quote unquote the thing.
Whether it is. Kale or a hamburger, you know, like, just like what we have to focus on is like the, it being the nourishing experience as well as the nourishing thing. And you, you took such a cool and like open-hearted centered approach to that. So honoring you with that as well.
Miara: Yeah.
You're so sweet about it too. You like, okay, Miara, you never force, you know what I'm saying? It's not like you forcing your, you just suggest and say let's try whatever. So you're so gracious. You know, and that's why I appreciate it too. And I'm like, I would never have met you Kit. And now Rachel, okay, Rachel, you you got me.
Okay. You got me. I'm here.
Rachel: Yay.
Miara: I'm here.. But yeah, I just feel like it is definitely, I understand what you were saying. I do understand because. You know, of [00:34:00] course when your iron being low and your blood being low and those things you wanna work on. And so I don't, now I don't label myself as
vegan or vegetarian or nothing like that.
I just crush a lot on plant-based stuff or just whole foods stuff. But, like even with the meat substitute that I was, you even said Miara, let's be mindful of those things, you know, I was, you know, some of the sausages that are plant-based, quote unquote. And, um, and that's a lot of play on names, you know, with the industry, but.
It's a lot of junk too, in those things. So she's like, Mar, just try cutting back on those, just watching those. And even also because I am a hairstylist kit suggested the products that I'm touching, the products that I'm inhaling, those type of things all could contribute, you know, that we won't think about what we putting on our skin that absorbs through our bloodstream, and so it's just a lot our female cleansing products, I was telling her [00:35:00] my regimen and she was like, well, why do you need two if you got one? You know, it's just never thought about those things. So definitely being open and honest about your regimen or how you, how you do things so she can not say diagnose, but, steer you in a.
A, a better direction. I feel like some people would just be so tight lips on stuff, like we have to be open to be free. Right? We have to open up to release these things. And another one of the nuggets that you said, you said to me, kit, was that we hold a lot of trauma in our wombs And so that led me to go into, okay, I need to go into some therapy now because I did and had experienced a lot of womb trauma or even just trauma outta relationships.
Just, you know, anything, you know what I'm saying? And so those things I wanted to be able to release because I ain't trying to go back there no more. I don't want to be, I don't want to have those big, massive fibroids in my womb space anymore. [00:36:00] 'Cause they said it could come back, even after surgery. So I said, okay, well, now I, I, can I get to start over here now? Now I'm learning, I. I'm knowing ahead of time. So now that I want to keep doing the things. I don't wanna go back to doing crap. And then the fibroids come all the way back and then I'm like, Kit, you know, we back to square one again.
So I'm just doing the things that needs to, so I just say, I just encourage people, just, you're not the only ones, you are not the only person that's experienced. It's a lot more people than you would think that's experiencing what you are going through right now as far as your womb space and all that down there.
So talk about it. Talk about it.
Kit: Yeah, again, you just dropped so much.
Miara: I'm sorry. Kit
Kit: Oh my gosh. I apologize. No, I'm thanking you. Like, it's just, it's, the depth of your wisdom is, is profound. And so I'm just taking a moment to sit with it and to feel into which [00:37:00] pieces I wanna particularly highlight that. I think this notion of you seeing this surgery as a reboot is so powerful.
And what's also in my awareness is that there are these moments in Western medicine where we're getting different advice and being told different things really from a place of, of that world having some struggle around trusting women.
So
what comes up is this, we'll just have the hysterectomy 'cause the fibroids could come back anyway.
And this way they're gone because the uterus is gone. But what's and there's some truth to that, right? But what's missing from that is. After you've had a surgery like yours where the fibroids are removed and maybe pieces of the womb space have been removed for you, the fallopian tube, like there is still much there to be tended to.
[00:38:00] And
there's this trust and space to deepen into that trust of you caring in ways that are new and that you have expressed like, and shown action towards such devotion toward that are really different. And that's why it brings us back to this notion that your niece is just watching you steam. Like the real hope there.
The real reason for that excitement is that she never goes through any of
this. Her very starting point is you post-surgery like,
and that she would know in a much earlier piece of the path where things had gone awry. Like. Whereas we, our generation hadn't been told that until, yeah, people are at 38, 39 and being like, well, I've come to you every year like you told me to.
I've told, I've reported to you the pain. You kept telling me it was normal and now you're telling me that it's so abnormal, I need to lose my uterus for it. Like, [00:39:00] screw you.
Like it's very, very understandable to have that reaction. And what you're doing is saying like, I am gonna take the surgery that's most aligned for me and I am going to continue to take care in the ways that feel good and nourishing, that are trusting and resonant for me.
And that's just huge. And it's so easy to see this like really being a reboot, a re re. Reclamation of your relationship and your deepening through through this like loving this loving relationship to the womb. And I hadn't known that piece of stepping into therapy, but that is so beautiful and I'm so excited for me that that is something that brings your face even alive.
So just honoring you for taking that leap and for following that thread. 'Cause that's really courageous too.
Miara: Thanks Kit. Appreciate it. [00:40:00] Because it was funny no, that's funny. Is what you were saying about my niece. She saw it was to the, the worst of it, she saw when a big , a big clot fell out on the floor. You know what I'm saying? So she being, so she's seven, so she was five, you know what I'm saying?
Seeing that and she's like, auntie, what is that? You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes we as, as kids, I mean, when we have children, we try to shun 'em away of seeing these things or whatever, or just anything. That's not unquote good. But I'm like, I'm glad she was able to see that.
So now she, now I can refer back. Remember auntie had that, remember that clot that fell on the floor? This is why we're steaming, this is why auntie is doing this. And so I know when she starts, her cycle already, it's just second nature. And so, I'm with you on Kit. I'm with you Kit with, as far as telling our next generation stuff that our parents, our grandparents didn't.
'cause then everything was hushed. is more private. It was more, I'm [00:41:00] like, but we always going through this all, you know, women were, why are we so hush hush on our cycles? Or now next thing is menopause, pre menopause or whatever these things, there's taboo. It's like, why?
Why does, you can't talk about this.
No, let's talk about this. So it's just like, I'm with you Kit, I'm with you
Rachel: I think it's, it's just so important and good that we're just waving the flag. That's like having such horrible cramps, such pain in the periods is like not okay and not normal. You know? I also had really painful cycles and it was just like tons of Advil. And for me, when I had that realization and it came over time with various things that, that there was trauma and the trauma in my womb was potentially connected to that pain.
It was like, that [00:42:00] was a bit of a moment for me. You know? Yeah. I was like, wait, what? Because it was like just kind of buried in there, buried in my body, buried in my psyche, and I just feel like it's something, yeah, we could slow down here with knowing that listeners might be experiencing that on some level.
Like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Or like, oh, what does that even mean? And I do think it is this place that holds a lot for our bodies. Mm-hmm. You know, it's kind of this like little empty vessel in there that ends up being where we store things that have happened to us, emotions that we didn't get to feel.
Miara: So do you did, so Rachel, did you with you having that, like, did you, what was your, uh, I guess your execution, like, what did you do? Did you do just do steaming? did you have to like, do any surgeries or anything like that?
Yes.
Rachel: So I haven't had fibroids or I've never been diagnosed with them. I've certainly passed clots and different things, Okay. but I had, I [00:43:00] had this stretch of years where the pain in my cycle was every month and multiple days, and Advil every four hours,
and it was a variety of things. It was steaming for sure.
That helped.
Okay.
I was doing a lot of breath work, a lot of emotional release, and I did a really neat kind of body work called Myofascial Release that I think helped it's kind of, yeah. Myofascial release and this process that my healer at the time was doing called unwinding, where like he kind of guided my body to, I would call it like release nervous system charge that was like stored from, fight or flight experiences that I'd had in my life.
Right. That we just kind of like, we as humans have kind of tamped down that impulse that the,
Miara: mm-hmm.
Rachel: the dog has where it gets up and shakes it all off. Right. Mm-hmm. So it's like, like a lot of shaking, I would say has also kind of helped, release what was stored [00:44:00] that was causing the pain,
Miara: great.
I wanna look
into that.
Kit: Yeah.
so powerful. And I, it's interesting 'cause myofascial release, I definitely look into it, Miara and let's have a whole nother jam and, and it seems like such I'm, I'm now just sitting with. Of course, sort of the sibling hood of myofascial release and steaming
there are the parallels because myofascial is like very gentle and able to like, hold for long periods of time and then really support the release of, of stored nervous system charge.
And just seeing the parallels there with steam.
And the repetition of steam and a steam practice when we just return to the pot or the seat and allow that gentleness to hold us and to remind us that in this [00:45:00] moment we are safe and held. And then that being the activation of the charge of the trauma being softened so that it can let go. Um, being one of these aspects of steam that because it is, it's, there's a spiritual component to it, it can sometimes be hard and less accessible to speak to. And so just grateful that we're, we're naming a piece of that here now
In that trauma side.
Rachel: And journaling as well. Miara you mentioned was part of your path. I'm curious if you would speak to that. Some of just like how you used it or how it was supportive.
Miara: Okay. So
I remember I, I always used to journal as a kid. I, It was initially like I was doing it like as a prayer, like just how I pray, just pray. But so when Kit suggested to get back to journaling, because I hold things in, you know, and that's clearly why I had a lot of trauma [00:46:00] held, holding that womb space.
So I would usually journal while I'm steaming. so I would, set myself up, have my candle, and I would just write, you know, I could say how my day was if something that didn't, wasn't in line with me for the day. I didn't I post that on there, then I'll say what my wins were. And, and at that time was my focus was, I'm just trying to think positive about my womb and myself speaking positive affirmations over myself.
And, um, I'll just write those things. It wasn't a whole lot of negative, I
try to not, if it was, it would probably be very minimal, but then I just should start speaking well on myself, on my womb space and, things of that nature to uplift and stuff like that. And so it, it just helped me because just wasn't, a lot of things. I just don't, I mean, I talk, I'm talk to people, but just sometimes just sharing things I probably never [00:47:00] shared or, and even just being used to just this whole, what I was going through, what my body was going through.
I didn't totally understand it and didn't know why, and then I'm like, why am I going through this? But then it's just change it around. You're going through this for somebody else as well, so where I can talk to and share, you know, my experience and then the holistic natural option that's out there.
You know what I'm saying? That's life giving. And so just felt like the journaling is, it helps and I tell any and everybody, I even tell men, I was like, now I know y'all probably think only little girls got 'em a little but the locking key and it may be a girly thing. But no, we need this, you know, it is so just what the world is going through.
It's like, so not the best situations happen all around. need to write in journal. You know what I'm saying? We got mental health on the rise. I just feel like it also helps. And that can help lift, everything outta my womb, that's the main thing, or just outta my life. I just like [00:48:00] to be happy.
I wanna just be smiling. I wanna exude great energy with people and so I don't wanna be like. People can feel when, I'm, my spirit is down. And so I try to just do that because I'm working with the public, I'm working with clients all the time, so I don't want that energy on them or the heaviness, you know?
It was definitely a great thing. I will breathe, I'll just incorporate all of that breath work before I do the breathing. I'll do the breathing first and then do the writing while I'm steaming in this great sleep telling you i'd be like, night, it was just great. She had told me that, she was like, you just gonna have good sleep. I said, she never lied. That's one thing she never lied about. I'd steam, and it'd be the greatest. I mean, it is usually, it takes me a long time to go to sleep a while, but after steaming it's like, it's, it is minutes. So. encourage, I
hope that, answer your question, Rachel.
I just went around the corner and around and [00:49:00] came back I, about the journaling, but yes, I have like four journals, I think at least four.
Rachel: Yeah, it's so true. 'cause we do, we hold it in and like, or we feel like maybe we don't wanna put it on someone else. And, and just being in that practice and I've never tried journaling while steaming. I'm going to tonight see how that, how that feels. And just having the routine of it, like doing the breath, it starts to downregulate and get you in your body.
And then just to be able to be like, I'm gonna get this out.
It makes a lot of sense. Feels good.
Miara: But it also, Rachel, it's, it's like with all those incorporated to me, I get so open to. Hearing, Like, you could just hear stuff that, you know, because of all the, you know, distractions that's going on around the world and stuff. then those moments it's like, I can hear clearly or see clearly, you know, I'm at peace as with some [00:50:00] things and it's just like, oh.
And so sometimes I'll just try to try to recreate it. Sometimes I don't be the best at recreating the atmosphere. Um, I remember one time in particular we did a, uh, a breathwork circle with kit and I'm like, was the first moment I was like, oh my God, how open? Like, I was like, what just happened here? It's just.
it was, it, It didn't scare me or nothing, but it was just like, wow. So I'll always be trying to recreate that. And even like today when Kit was leading us into the breathing, I'm like, this is, know, the guided I'd be needing to guided, somebody to help. 'cause we be by myself. I'd be like my mind going but it's just, you just get into those quiet spaces man.
And it is just, you're open and you just can see and feel and hear and it's just, it's just so beautiful. You know? It's just a great moment. And so I would tell everybody, to try it, and even if you're skeptic just be open. 'cause I didn't know, you know, [00:51:00] what was to come in the breath circle.
I've never did breathing, none of that. it was just so beautiful. Especially when you got people that's in good, they got good spirits and they vibrating on a higher level. And where it just makes it all beautiful, you know? So.
yeah,
I'll tell you. Try it and tell me, tell me what you think about it too, Rachel, after you do it.
I'll.
Kit: Oh, one additional twiggly, as we call 'em in Kitara is actually just to ask you how your dad is doing and if you're open to sharing a bit about his support during your journey.
Miara: Oh, I am a a daddy's girl. Okay. Even though I have a twin sister, we both daddy's girl, but I think I'm closer because everybody say I'm like him or act like him in a female form. But he was very, my dad 'cause he didn't know first my dad was the type of person I would call. I [00:52:00] wouldn't call my mom.
I would call him to bring me some pads and some clothes. Um, he was the one to come take me to the hospital when I'm at work on the floor. 'cause I couldn't move. And so he's been there throughout the whole, my, just all, just everything. And so at first I would think he would be grossed out, but no, he's just like, he's like, I'm trying to learn too, you know?
So with all this, he was just very concerned and worried. And, but he's like, I'm supportive, whatever you decide. And so I told him about natural, the holistic, you know, approach. And he doesn't really understand it. But when I started telling him, he was like, okay, I see, you know, I'm like dad. And like, quite frankly, it's a little bit more cheaper than you going.
Paying for the medicine, to be honest. Okay. you just gotta be consistent, be more consistent. It's not as instant as you would think, oh, I'm gonna take an Advil or Aleve. But and he was cool with it. He was nervous about the surgery, but um, I. him and my sister were [00:53:00] there and and he just was like, I just didn't like seeing you like that.
He was just been so concerned
and he just didn't want me to be in those situations. But today he's doing good. He's just always telling me like, I didn't like you like that. I didn't I'd like to see you, you know, very low and on the floor and, you know, how to take you to the hospital and you were so weak and things of that nature.
But he's good, you know, and now where he's getting older and he's open to hearing like, okay, dad, there, there's herbs for you to take care of this, you know, you know, Because initially they wanted to put you on this medicine. I'm like, so do you want to try? Are you open? he'd be like, okay, let me, I see, you know, he's more open to it.
So, that's why I just felt like what I, like I said before, what I go through, it's not only for me it's for other people and or the skeptics, you know, people that be like, let me see how it works for you, but yeah, that's my dad, that's my heart, that's my homie. That [00:54:00] And, um, he's doing well, Kit.
Thank you for asking about him. He's all about my niece now, so I'll be kind of a little jealous. But,
Kit: Oh,
Miara: I told her, I said he, I was, that was my dad first,
Kit: so great. Oh, well, yeah, I just invite all of us to feel into if there's anything else that's feeling at this time, to be named in query or in
in
statement for witnessing. We
before we close
for today.
Miara: I
did want to ask or share ads too. What made me also a believer is not only Kit was facilitating and you know, all of this being opened and vulnerable, sharing her story and that also just so where she, know, encouraging us, but she's going through her own thing too, you know, and so just to see the whole [00:55:00] turnaround and to see the kids and you know, we are all crying together, you know, 'cause that's something she desired, you know?
And just to see that and to see these two beautiful little people and I'm like, and I feel so connected being. In Ohio, you know what I'm saying? Because
Kit: Yeah, I know.
were a huge part of them.
Yeah. because we connected with this other beautiful being Selima very regularly as you both were navigating your fibroid journey and I was navigating my fertility journey
and holding each other and I am so grateful. I was so amazing to receive your love and support.
Miara: just to see how that's what it Just show like you was still, you was practicing what you preached, you know, you were doing the things that you were sharing with us and encouraged us to do. And then just to see that manifest was so like, ugh. I just was like, it just, it didn't to be with sisters that going [00:56:00] through with each other in their moments and then see the victories out of all of that, it's just so, it's just, I would never forget and.
I just appreciate you Kit so much. I know just like, whew.
But
you don't understand how people, the people that you would think that would be there be so close to you that weren't, for you to be there and to share and to be there for me and your spirit, like we have never seen each other in person.
I have never touched her physically yet, yet. And I know I've been slacking on it. I'm sorry Kit, but I'm just saying mean so much and and it's just, I can't really put words into it, but I'm just so appreciative you and then your family and the kids, all that, you know, I'm just so appreciative.
And so when you add or bring people to my life, you know, like, I'm like, Rachel, I
just wanna say thank [00:57:00] you so, so much though. Because it made me confident in who I was and who I am as a woman and, you know, it just getting me closer to even just a higher, to feel like outside of myself, you know what I'm saying?
This, these different practices that you encourage us. It's not just, oh, this is for the fluke of it. No, it really is. I can carry us to other parts of my life. And so I just wanna say thank you Kit. I appreciate you I love you so much I just wanted to add that and I, I'm Done. I'm, done. be crying.
I keep crying.
Crying.
Oh, that's so beautiful. Wow. Well, I appreciate you both. Thank you for this moment. Thank you for letting me share my.
story.
Kit: You're so special. To know you, to be in sisterhood with you, to witness and be witnessed. It's incredibly healing.
